can a b17 fly on 3 engines

They were doing a sweep of several local airports, as the plane made it’s way up to the Dayton, Ohio air show later that month. Externally the new engine is identical, except for the engineer cab roof being slightly flatter so it’s 1 inch lower to meet the maximum height allowed on UK rails. The FAA report will clear that up for sure (Aviation authorities are very good at this – someone I know crashed which sadly killed him, and the whole engine was put back together to find out exactly what had happened – and this was only a 2-seater!). And shot full of holes to boot. Sincerely journeyman aircraft mechanic Dennis Chalut. Definitely a tragedy that this happened, but it’s arguable that these types of aircraft just shouldn’t be flown any longer. While only 42 model "D"swere built, by the time of Pearl Harbor the existing "C" models hadbeen upgraded to "D" specifications. The people working in WWII factories were not skilled aircraft assemblers, they were mostly unskilled workers pulled in from civilian businesses. you can make a part that is identical in every way but might fail in operation because you didn’t know they did some heat-treatment to it in production. Yes, commercial aircraft aren't bombers, but I think you get the point. The flight controls on a B-17 are not hydraulic, but operated by cables directly from the yoke and rudder pedals. Just the day before, Seattle Times reporter Richard Williams had been lucky enough to see the heavily armored aircraft. But yeah, lets go with the idea that all weapons are bad all the time and we should just stick our heads in the sand when Nazi are kill us off. The pilot had over 7300 hours in the B-17. 5. The rear fuselage of the All American was nearly cut off, but the pilot was able to fly the aircraft safely back to the base in Algeria. Something flammable? I saw a few more fly overs that day, but none that dramatic. Are you kidding? isn’t flaps normally actuated with lead screws to avoid that problem? The German Bf 109 had rammed itself into the All American, severely damaging it. About 12,732 units of the B-17 Flying Fortress were produced between 1936 to 1945. One engine going down seems to be no problem, but when two go down it seems like the plane is just barely not powerful enough to stay airborne. Yes, multiengine aircraft can fly on one engine. Another very massive undertaking to re-create an antique vehicle was the new Tornado steam locomotive in the UK. They did not have special skills, there was no time for training. News also reported that the plane veered to the right of the runway… I’d be leaning toward loss of hydraulics on right control surfaces just before touchdown… Loss of lift and drop on right wing with not enough time to recover…. that seems like quite a bit of effort to build a bomber from scratch. This was a slightly modified B-17C, with different engine cowling flapsand an extra pair of machine guns, bringing its total armament to six.50 caliber and one .30 caliber machine guns. “There’s also absolutely no reason to believe the crash happened due to the age of the plane, or even a hardware failure.”. They fly them each day during the stopovers with passengers who pay to go for a 30-minute ride. Yes it can. This was a B-17 Flying Fortress which was paid for by the city of Seattle. Denture Synth, OLED Keycaps, And SNES Raytracing, Bare-Metal STM32: Exploring Memory-Mapped I/O And Linker Scripts, New Part Day: Hackboard 2, An X86 Single-Board Computer, Netscape Communicator And SHA-1 Written Into Brexit Agreement. Made by the Boeing company, this four-engine heavy bomber got airborne for the first time on July 28, 1935. Losing an engine in flight is not usually a particularly serious problem and the pilots are given extensive training to deal with such a situation. The bombers used for this operation were B-17s. World Solar Challenge: How Far In A Solar Car? Friend of mine looks after classic race cars, they’re re-casting a small gearbox housing to fix one car and the tooling alone is costing 50k – back in the day that was spread across 10, 100, or even 1000+ units so it amortises quickly – but imagine having to do that for some major large lump of aircraft like an engine block or huge wing strut where the setup costs could be 250k+ for one part. Now that is the best idea I ever heard ! They produce 60hp so obviously the whole unit gives out 240. Thus it was that on October 2nd a Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress crash-landed after technical troubles. Hoping the investigation reveals what happened. Look up TF-51. B-17 bomber and step back in time to the World War II era. Of the thirteen people on board, seven died, with the remaining six surviving with injuries. But, the net result is that there can often be raw fuel blown through the engine and into the exhaust manifold, which subsequently ignites. But even better, a modern airliner can fly with NO engines. In the B-17, relatively slower response to power and control changes require a much higher degree of anticipation on the part of the pilot. My mother was a riveter and my grandmother bucked rivets on the B-17 line at Boeing plant 2. I agree,I also flew on the 9 0 9,what a great experience and a great flight,the Collings foundation is one of the most professional organizations I have seen,and safety is their top priority. The airplane’s pilots tried to perform an emergency landing at Bradley International Airport, Connecticut, where it had taken off from only moments ago. These samples are burned in a spectrometer, and trace elements are counted. A pilot also commented that the fuel is a low octane and in WWII the fuel was a much higher octane to produce more power. This wasn’t a failure of FAA regulation or a manufacturer’s quality issue, it was a failure of one engine. Maybe put a pause on plane articles for a while. Each engine has a tracked life and when certain trends start, such as unusual metal content, silicon, or carbon, it allows the oil lab to predict an engine failure. Very saddened that it didn’t work out better.”. Very sad for those on board. A B-52 has 8 TF33-P-3 turbofan engines. The USAAF lost about 60 B-17s in this mission, and over 550 crewmen were declared MIA. Anything is possible with enough money and dedication. A total of 376 B-17 bombers were used on this ambitious expedition, aimed at crippling the German aircraft industry. (Go listen for yourself.) A fire hot enough will melt and oxidise the aluminum into near dust. Purpose 1. What is beyond absurd is when someone posts obviously ignorant crap, can’t accept the wisdom posted by someone who clearly has a clue, and comes back with bad arguments, rhetoric and sarcasm. The fuel cost is nothing to snicker at…90 gallons per hour at cruise. So sad to see the loss of life and the loss of an iconic aircraft. They dont need as high octane like the war.They disable the turbo superchargers now or atleast wire the waste gates open to lower stresses. I’ve been driving back and forth to Atlanta for work for years now, and finally took the time to duck off of 75 and check out the museum in Warner Robins. With respect, you are clearly out of your depth and don’t understand the situation. What could be flammable in a structure almost entirely made of aluminium? I also flew on the 9-0-9 while it was touring the Bay Area, ~ 2012. 3D manufacturing on a large scale won’t work, because the loads would be all wrong. BTW, my pop was a navigator on B29, pacific. Phil Greenspun (a flight instructor) weighed in on the crash: https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2019/10/03/boeing-b-17-crash-at-bradley/, He concludes: “It was good weather at a great airport, an aircraft that was likely maintained as well as possible, a plane that can fly safely on three engines, and two pilots with a tremendous depth of experience. So maybe that’s why it couldn’t stay aloft. The 777 is ETOPS 240 ,if I am not wrong, meaning that it can fly 240 minutes on one engine in laymans terms , and flights are planned to be within 240 minutes of flying to the nearest airfield . Very sad to see the 909 go down with its crew. Hackaday Podcast 099: Our Hundredth Episode! Again, it’s always possible that it wasn’t related, but the odds are very much against that. A total of 17 Medal of Honor awards were given to B-17 crewmen, many of which were awarded posthumously. Incidentally, this is the very same airplane which we covered only a number of days ago. https://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-br-windsor-locks-bradley-international-airport-b-17-crash-victims-20191003-cfdp7c5crbfp7jfknchgggku6q-story.html. The last recorded B-17 crash came back in 2011, when an engine fire broke out on a Flying Fortress en route to Indianapolis. During a second evaluation flight, the B-17 experienced some mechanical issues while airborne. Seattle Times reporter Richard Smith dubbed the new plane, with its many machine-gun mounts, the “Flying Fortress,” a name that Boeing quickly adopted and trademarked. My heart is with all. This aircraft (and many other WW2 era ones) are from the Collings Foundation based here in MA. A replica B17 though would likely use different engines and be built using modern airliner techniques for reasons of practicality. Although the B-17 lost the contract, the promising features of the aircraft were too good to be overlooked. The idea that the B-17 is too complex to maintain in this day and age seems a bit naive given the aircraft flying today. It has 4 engines because it needs them for its optimal performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yaKCkXa-rs. Still a tragic loss of life. By using our website and services, you expressly agree to the placement of our performance, functionality and advertising cookies. Its bombing ability was not the highest priority, even though it was a bomber, giving it a relatively smaller bomb load when compared to other aircraft. A 5-engine plane can fly on 3 engines but not on 2, while a 3-engine plane can fly on 2 engines but not 1. Same for the wooden forms to make the tooling. That leads to another set of “why?” Engine fire damaging hydraulics for flaps, sudden decrease of lift? Morbid maybe, but when I read about this crash the first thing that came to mind was the Hackaday writer’s comments about not feeling quite up to booking a spot on this old bomber… The same thing that makes it hard to just manufacturer some new ones presumably makes it hard to keep the existing few airworthy with anything like the degree of confidence you’d have with a plane for which new spares and up-to-date living documents on procedures and such were kept. They turned back to the field simply to play it safe, and in the ATC recordings the pilot doesn’t sound terribly concerned about the situation. A replica B17 though would likely use different engines and be built using modern airliner techniques for reasons of practicality. A student in the first Aviation class that they school had (A Pilot Pilot program?) Oil analysis can identify impending internal failures before total failure. An emergency was not declared to ATC. Not all of the WW1 aircraft on display are reproductions. I saw a Super Connie blow a 20 foot fireball out of the #3 engine while it was starting up one day. Prayers for the families who have experienced such a tragic loss. It is ranked third in a list of most produced bomber planes of all time, beaten by the Consolidated B-24 Liberator and Junkers Ju 88. However, by a long margin, crews of the Boeing aircraft have received more Medal of Honor awards than those of any other American aircraft. About 640,000 tons of bombs were dropped on Nazi Germany and its territories by the B-17, a significant percentage of the 1.5 million tons dropped in all sorties against Nazi Germany. Yep, although in MOST cases it needs to be a turbine engine. Learn how your comment data is processed. The one thing the FAA hasn’t caught up to is the NAVAIR standard of JOAP (Joint Oil Analysis Program), which mandates oil samples pulled from the operating engines over a certain interval. During a fly-off with two competing airplanes (DB-1 and Model 146), it was decided that the B-17 had shown more promise and was in tune with the recent USAAC philosophy. I'm slowly shaking off the rust, but one thing I can't figure out. Most of the flying WWI aircraft are replicas. Join us for an unforgettable experience aboard one of the few remaining airworthy B-17s in the world. Of the 13 YB-17s ordered for service testing, 12 were used by the 2nd Bomb Group of Langley Field, Virginia, to develop heavy bombing techniques, and the 13th was used for flight testing at the Material Division at Wright Field, Ohio. Oil screen checks are primitive in comparison. Ultimately, the B-17 did not complete the second evaluation. I rode on this exact aircraft as a passenger back in 2013. They do have the advantage of the engines having survived though. Now you can argue that losing the engine made for a more stressful landing, and that caused the crew to make a mistake, but that’s still ultimately falls under operator error. Facts: Three downed B-17s were also repaired and restored to flying status by the Japanese. Including Champain Lady, Desert Rat, the new Liberty Belle, Lacy Lady, and at least 2 which haven’t been given names that I now of yet. The first B-17D flew on February 3, 1941. Daniel has updated the project titled ESP32 micropython led matrix driver. I haven’t got a clue how statistics really work so I’ll have to ask you to stop writing about air-worthy machines. 6153A-18, blade angle range 21° - 88° at 42" radius. It can even alert to things like rubber seals failing. Airplane equipped with four (4) Wright R-1820-65 engines with torque meters; exhaust driven turbo superchargers; 3-bladed constant speed propellers, blade design No. I flew on it in 2015 out of John Wayne in Orange County, Ca.It is sad to hearxabout it,but most of the WWII aiecraft are probably in better condition than our on commercial airlines. It is this exceptional design that has kept them working in the hands of unskilled tinkerers over the decades. Question: If two engines on the same wing of a 747-400 fail, can the jet fly on the other two?-- submitted by reader Jack Ryan, Ohio. Is it possible to fly with just two engines (one operating on each side)? No official reports state that the plane came in too low. And THAT is a good explanation why far worse damaged B-17s returned and landed years ago. You will find if the oil is performing and life expectancy. The same can be said about the Boeing 747. In the early 1990’s, I was a high schooler in Palm Springs, CA. This can happen even with 4 engines running, but is worse with 3. I’ve been in one and it was fly by wire…the wire being a cable leading the control surfaces. i’d take them as pilots any day . Or maybe write about planes of your “favourite” choice of government ;). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPmZ85xn5M Asymmetric thrust from failed engines leads to crashes often enough that it’s often joked that the purpose of multiple engines is simply to get the aircraft to the crash site faster. … My sister’s Farther-in-Law (mentioned in a previous article) told me that after a fiery crash, there wasn’t much left of any wreckage, They would rake through the debris, and find some bone fragments and send those back to the families as the “body” of their loved one. They actually did an engine swap on this exact aircraft when there were at my local airport (ORH – Worcester) a couple years ago. Tooling has been scrapped / gone missing and important shop floor fabrication notes have been lost. A lot of it is far more easily done today than it ever was – hell you can 3D scan & machine / print new parts from scratch… but where you need some massive jig the size of a building to fabricate a large assembly, there’s just no cheap substitute. Maybe a stupid idea, but why not build a copy of these machine for airshow and keep the “real” one safe inside a hangar ? They would sell tickets for an about 30min flight or so. The NTSB has indicated that they have dispatched a team to investigate the crash, and say that a preliminary report is likely two weeks away. Years ago it was 3500 an hour for the plane…dry….and you had to fly with the owners instructor (based on the other side of the US). That young, experienced, war tested pilots could fly a B-17 with multiple engines out does not mean old(er) pilots with far less current experience should be able to handle smaller failures with comparable success. Always noticed it flying overhead when it was here, year after year. Next time you watch a documentary on bombers in WW II see how many B17's flew back to England on one engine. Its last flight was during a reconnaissance mission on the 14th of August 1942. Neil Mundt has updated the project titled Witches Brew V1.3.1 CV Joystick Controller. Climb aboard the 65,000-lb. doctek has added a new log for Tiny Arduino for Hackers. I about fell out of my chair. On some of them, upon starting, they open the valves to remove the pressure so the starter can get the engine turning with less power/resistance. Its crew was officially pronounced dead after three years. One person on the ground was injured as well. 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If you get sufficient damage to the control surfaces of the B17 the AI will often not be able to control the plane and it will spiral downwards. A dumb question, usually the fuel tanks are in the wings…. Fuel does spread when released from its containers. Sad for this to have happened. Don’t worry, it won’t be long before you can 3D print one. Experience counts for more than youth. I agree that cost would be extreme. End result: the first copy would cost a good portion of a stealth fighter. The sound from those four large radial engines was just incredible. It is an age old debate, but one could argue that by helping to end WW2, this particular type of machine did more to stop suffering than it inflicted. This is going to haunt me for a long time.”. I too was on this very plane in 2018, and agree that the Collings Foundation looked like a first class operation, and this plane appeared to be in great shape at that time. Most were sent to Hawaiiand the Philippines. The aircraft went through several alterations in each of its design stages and variants. 2. This was a plane designed to take off with bombs and much ammo…this flight was light. now you just are being dumb. B-52s been flying 60+ years and expected to fly another 20+. For all its accomplishments, the B-17 had a bad beginning. My daughters were enthralled, rooted to the spot, standing about 20′ behind the tail of the -24. First reports mentioned that the plane didn’t seem to be able to gain altitude, and my reaction was “with 3 engines and no payload, that shouldn’t have been a problem”. Could bad or incorrect fuel be the issue? From the day of its maiden flight 83 years ago, the B-17 Flying Fortress has become the royalty of the skies. They were also in their early to mid 70’s. | U.S. Air Force / Public Domain. The preliminary report says engine #4 was feathered and #3 was “partially feathered” and it’s not clear why #3 was. An expedited return to the field to the field was initiated. If p is the probability with which an engine fails and you assume that engines fail … We were walking around the backside of the parking ramp when the -24 loaded up some passengers and lit off those four big radials. Most likely not multiple times per week as the pilots did during wartime. The ATC audio is already available, the pilot never even declared a formal emergency. Myles has updated components for the project titled globe RGB. They are dedicated VOLUNTEERS. I highly doubt that they would fly that aircraft if they weren’t positive it was in top shape. Oh I see, the heat melts it. 41-2399. ... , raspberries or elderberries can provide 500mg of vitamin B17. …But I wasn’t there, I’m not a pilot, and not the NTSB…. so why is the fuselage practically nonexistant? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Clearly the plane veered/crashed well off the runway, but what was in those tanks it hit? Consequently, the USAAC went through a special F-1 funding procedure in January 1935 and procured thirteen B-17s, as YB-17s. During takeoff the problem is getting enough fuel to the engine. For the same reason we can’t re-manufacture Saturn V or the F-22. A single engine failure in a B-17 is an annoyance, not an emergency. I just saw it fly overhead this last Memorial Day when they were in the Bay Area (I live in the flight path of Moffett Airfield). Wow! It’s thin aluminum sheet riveted into a box structure to give it strength. The other half is getting it through manufacturing. It sounds like there is a financial incentive here ‘to keep flying’. Not knowing what actually happened until the investigation is over puts blame on pilot error, hydraulic malfunction, engine problems, etc. AWAIT THE NTSB REPORT. Please visit one of these flying museums and be impressed. My uncle Ray LeDoux, was a navigator on DeLancey’s B-17. I did hear that the flight engineer survived, so perhaps he will be able to shed some light on what happened. Having a couple of engine out experience in the B-17, it’s typically a procedure and not an emergency. Below are some interesting facts about this magnificent aircraft. The people who maintain these “large complex” aircraft do fantastic work! How often did the crew of this plane fly? Myles has updated the project titled globe RGB. 4. But, it really was a B-17, and it really was making a simulated bomb run on the building. When the pilot ran up the engines to taxi, the propwash blew both my kids into the bushes behind us. I believe those were tanks of deicing fluid. First Mike Patey’s Draco and now a this B17.. I got out of there post haste, and watched it taxi by. Engine failures occur in ALL types of aircraft (including those that carry hundreds of people), so there’s no point in changing the laws because of one tragic plane crash that was probably caused, at least in part, by an unpredictable issue. Everything you need to know about the Draco crash is here, from the mouth of the owner and pilot himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfctWAoDXvs Short story, it was 100% pilot error. To report on acceptance performance tests conducted at the manufacturer's plant on the B-17E airplane, A.C. No. That bring said, It’ll be years before it’s completed. During war time the B-17 returned many times with multiple engines out. Despite it having crashed with only around 10 hours flying time, the crash and decades of weather exposure and vandalism did bad things to it. Yhe FAA is remiss in not requiring periodic oil analysis on a periodic basis. I have seen quite a few with just a rack and pinion setup. This particular machine was commissioned as a deterrent and ended up being pivotal in freeing a continent from an oppressive fascist regime that was specifically targeting civilians by using strategic bombing to target industry and military responsible for producing the munitions Hitler had raining down daily over Great Britain. Neil Mundt has added a new log for Witches Brew V1.3 CV Joystick Controller. I refer to this as “knowledge entropy” and it’s a potent force. In fact, it can even continue the take-off and then safely land with just one engine. You won’t want to miss Aluminum Overcast when it visits an airport near you!. I’ll let you guess as to how much of the engineering effort is captured in any meaningful way. I’ve been in that plane (on the ground, 5 years ago in Worcester, MA). Have faith that the NTSB will get to the bottom of it. Machines like this is what helped rid of the Nazis and end WW2, the Fordson tractor helped feed the soldiers that finished the job. Made by the Boeing company, this four-engine heavy bomber got airborne for the first time on July 28, 1935. Hence the aileron trim must be applies rather than the rudder. Luckily for the Air Force, they had the talent of Arthur Kennedy to guide them through it all in these amazing videos. However, this mission was largely unsuccessful. 3: All engines during that time period rotated counter-clockwise (from the pilots perspective) with the russians being the exceptions (excluding foreign license produced engines) That’s enough power for someone to take a seat in and take off! Even if the anecdotal reports that the plane had come in too low prove out, it is too soon to attribute that to the failed engine. And then you might have epa concerns about exhaust pollution. The trail quickly dissipated. A group brought a B-17 (possibly 909 but I can’t recall for sure) and B-24 to Gainesville for an airshow some years back. He navigated the plane home after the nose was shot off for which he received the Distinguished Flying Cross. However, not long after that, a tragic event occurred. Pilot error, pilot error, pilot error. Lo and behold there was a partly assembled B-17 undergoing a frame-out restoration, along with the front half of a B-29. And, some of them still fly. I agree on the 3 engines.Really just would be a a little stick and rudder comp but i was really suspecting fuel contamination obut we will wait till we get findings.Climb out on 3 should not been much of an issue. They were nicknamed “Aphrodite Missiles.”. About 25 B-17s were loaded with around 20,000lb of bombs and were modified into drones. Irresponsible speculation. On July 28, 1935, a four-engine plane took off from Boeing Field in south Seattle on its first flight. In short, these guys were very good. The B-17's incredible capacity to take it -- to come flying home on three, two, even one engine, sieve-like with flak and bullet holes, with large sections of wing or tail surfaces shot away -- has been so widely publicized that U. And stop the speculation already let the investigators do there job. Wheeee! Build a whole B17 from scratch? It was a fantastic experience. They are fabricating many of the parts, Champaign Lady. Right. Finally, I glanced up, and there was a B-17 making a simulated bombing run on the building I was in. Since my desk faced the window, I looked through the window at the street below, and didn’t see anything out of the ordinary down there. ... What makes the b-52 bomber fly? Daniel has updated the log for Bare metal second core on ESP32. We feel terrible about such loss of life and hope the injured make a speedy recovery. How long until we say farewell to this part of our history, with the final flight of a B-17, or its kin? 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